Update on the Episcopal Church

This week I came across an interview on the “Issues, Etc” radio show (a Lutheran program) with the presiding “bishop” of the Episcopal Church USA, Katharine Jefferts-Schori.  The host was very respectful while at the same time asking her very probing questions about what the ECUSA believes and why.  Knowing the recent history of the ECUSA, it wasn’t really surprising to hear her say the things she said, but it was disturbing and sad nonetheless.

While there many be a few good congregations left within the ECUSA, I think it’s safe to say that the denomination as a whole is apostate.  If you think my statement is too harsh, then I simply urge you to listen to the interview I linked above.  I can’t think of a single thing she said that was orthodox.  Fortunately, the ECUSA has been declining and will continue to bleed members if present trends continue.  Praise God for the biblical congregations which have seceded from the ECUSA.

I really do believe that this is indicative of God’s judgment upon modern Western society.  The decline of once-great denominations within the church speaks to the suppression of truth in unrighteousness (Rom. 1:18).  We ought to pray that those few believers who are left there have the discernment to leave and seek out congregations which actually adhere to the Word of God and preach it from the pulpit.

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16 Responses to Update on the Episcopal Church

  1. Jeff says:

    When looking thought the doctrine and history of ECUSA one will find that most of the problems go back to their understanding that Marriage is not a sacrament. Meaning Marriage is not a sacrament in the ECUSA. And therefore it is an institution of man and being and institution of man, Man can decide what marriage is or is not. This denial of Marriage as a sacrament can also can explain the decay of American families. Please note Marriage is more than the Wedding.

    • I think the problem with the ECUSA is much deeper than having a low view of marriage. Their problem is that they have a low view of God and a high view of man. That fundamental problem is at the root of all such apostasy within the visible church. Consequently, they’ll have a low view of the Word of God which properly defines and regulates matters like marriage.

      To be sure, marriage is a common grace institution given by God to the whole of mankind. However, God still defines it as He is the creator of it. The abandonment of marriage, its perversion, and the decay of American families is certainly indicative of God’s wrath being poured out on Western civilization. He has given society over to this perversion (Rom. 1:18).

  2. Jeff says:

    Ok so is Marriage a Sacrament? If not, Why not?

  3. Jeff says:

    Jesus never said the sacraments are…

    However, he did say in Matthew 19:4-5 “4And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?”
    So, we see Jesus is telling the Pharisees the God the Father made marriage. Thus Marriage is a visible holy signs and seals appointed by God.
    And in Ephesians 5: 21-33 “21Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. 22Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. 29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.”
    So, Paul tell us that Husbands should love their Wives as Christ Love the Church, and Wives should submit to their Husbands as the Church does to Christ.

    So if you would please tell us why Marriage is not a Sacrament again.

    • Actually, Jesus clearly taught us that baptism and the Lord’s Supper are the two sacraments. Therefore the burden of proof is upon you to show otherwise. Citing Eph. 5:21-33 is hardly proof of your assertion. It is a stretch to conclude that the Apostolic admonition for husbands to love their wives as Christ loves the church somehow makes the institution itself a sacrament. I agree that Christian marriage is sanctified and set apart from the marriages of unbelievers, but how does that make it a sacrament?

      The issue Paul is addressing is one of federal headship within the family/household. Hence he uses the paradigm model for federal headship–that of Christ’s relationship with His church. You’re equally stretching and distorting Matt. 19:4-5 to make your conclusion. To say that it’s a sacrament because God created and ordained it is not a valid argument. Civil government is also a specific institution created by God. Is that a sacrament as well?

      Apparently your theology doesn’t leave room for common grace. You still have yet to show me from the text of Scripture how marriage is a sign and seal of membership within the church. Nowhere does Jesus ever speak of marriage as a means of salvific grace. The sacraments, by definition, are applied to everyone within the visible church. Obviously that cannot be said of marriage.

  4. Jeff says:

    Life is not a Common Grace from God ?

  5. Jeff says:

    “Apparently your theology doesn’t leave room for common grace. You still have yet to show me from the text of Scripture how marriage is a sign and seal of membership within the church.”

  6. Jeff says:

    Life a Common Grace comes from the marriage act.

  7. Jeff says:

    If I understanding you righ only Common Grace come from Marriage and not salvific grace?

  8. Jeff says:

    “Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.” 1 TIM 2 15

    • The Apostle Paul is not saying that women receive salvific grace by having children. This is an allusion to Gen. 3:16. The rest of the quoted verse shows that, taken in context, Paul isn’t suggesting salvation through childbirth. As one commentator put it:

      Rather, his point seems to be that those women at Ephesus who have been deceived by the false teachers need to focus on their proper role, and especially their attitudes (vv. 8-10; 1:5, 19). Given his use of Gen. 2; 3 in his argument and the false teachers’ disparagement of marriage (4:3), Paul finds “childbearing” to be a convenient symbol for that role.

      At any rate, what does this have to do with marriage supposedly being a sacrament?

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